(Kotobukiya) Tamaki Kousaka Dorimaga Original Limited

[H-Gurl]

This one is quite old, but I still spot it on ebay, Yahoo Japan, and in the occasional collector photos from time to time:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t194 ... amaki2.jpg

She's pretty well done, but still has quite a few paint & sculpt issues.
If you acquired this figure cheaply from ebay, there is a very high chance that it is fake.

Authentic:
http://blog.livedoor.jp/affilive/archives/50398773.html

It was very limited, and was only released via a mail-in, from a game magazine called Dorimaga (by Softbank).
The mail in privilege was a limited Shitajiki (Pencil Board).

When the authentic is posted, she goes for a pretty high price on the auctions:
http://page5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e65628059

*A bit translated from the listing*

Magazine mail order in game magazine "Dorimaga" of Softbank issue.
Dorimaga limitation Ver of Tamaki Kousaka by Kotobukiya.
It is not in the pirate edition that is often low-priced and has appeared on the market recently.

[Deibi Manabu]

Just so people know - I got mine from ENFProshop, and it's the fake, I know. It's badly sculpted, was cheap, and doesn't look good at all!

[H-Gurl]

Sorry to hear that Deibi!
I guess ENFProshop does sell some fake stuff.

[BennyFuentes]

the best way to spot fakes at ENFProshop is to read carefully the item descriptions, fakes usually don´t name the company´s brand and sometimes they say the figure doesn´t come in a box, the price is also a factor.

[Deibi Manabu]

Yeah, I got this and Rin Tohsaka by Kotobukiya from them, and while the Tamaki was completely fake, the Rin is completely authentic.

It really could be that he knows he's got fakes, but tries to sell the authentics to cover for it. I don't go anywhere near a sale he's got that has no box showing in the description. As for the Saber by ebCraft, his is far from cheap, but it could still be a fake - you never can tell! O_o

[ShimizuKyoko]

I am the seller.
I LOVE my hobby more than anybody else and it extremely offends me to have one of my collections called a fake junk.
Do not assume and badmouth other people unless you have a definite proof.

[val]

Calm down. It's you're own fault that people think your listing is a scam. It's nothing personal. Compare your listing to other bootlegs on eBay and there's no difference. No one is judging you as a person or collector. They're judging your listing, and on the surface, you don't appear to have the real product.

Ebay is flooded w/fakes. If your stuff is real, then you're doing yourself a huge disservice by using someone else's pictures. There are many collectors at this board, who visit the same sites in Japan, and it's obvious that you used images from another site. Plus, if I recall correctly, Moeyo features prototype images, so it doesn't reflect the product that you have. You also don't show the box, figure in its box, or provide an adquate description.

To get better results on auctions, you should really post pictures of your product in the box. Doesn't matter if it's a good picture. It needs to be original. Have you seen how many sellers on eBay are selling this figure in bootleg version? I'd say 90% of the stuff on eBay is fake, and serious collectors are sick of it.

If you have such a big heart to start low, then say why you're starting low. It can only help you get more legitimate bids from other collectors. Currently, serious collectors are not going to touch your auction because you're using someone else's pictures, mention the mail-in offer (not Kotobukiya's Store), and don't have the pencil board. What did you expect?

If you got the item from Kotobukiya's Shop, then state it. There are many people who would kill for this figure. It sells for over $300 in Japan. If your figure is authentic, then show it.

Showing us your seller history and photos of your purchases is honestly meaningless. The topic is the figure, not you and the authenticity of your collection. If you look at this forum, this figure has been discussed in the past, and people have bought the fake knock-off version. The fake knock-off is even being sold in Japan on Yahoo Auctions, too.

Sorry to see that your ego is so big that instead of learning from this experience, you decided to make it personal and get angry. If your eBay listing is real, you should be thanking us for pointing out why this $300 figure won't reach its full potential with how its listed. If you're better than the bootleg sellers, then flaunt it. Otherwise, it's nothing but another copied listing w/someone else's pictures. Live and Learn.

[ShimizuKyoko]

First of all, I am not angry or mad.
I just felt offended because someone pointed me out of nowhere and said I am a scammer.
This is the only auction that I forget to put a picture of the box.
It is too late now, but I will post a picture here.
And by the way, noone is going to pay $300 for this figure.
That guy will never sell it for that price.
I seen this figure going from Y6000 to Y10000 usually.
I paid $90 for mine.

Anyways, here is the picture:

Tamaki and Kuro Shinobu bought from Koto's online shop.
I believe Shinobu was only available through Kotobukiya shop.

[val]

Sorry to hear you've been singled out when you did nothing wrong.

You can add to your description or simply end/restart the auction. I highly recommend that you do one of these two options. When listing on eBay, keep in mind that there are a lot of skeptical buyers on eBay now, so you have to prove the legitimacy of your products or you are definitely losing bids. Also, if there are any official stickers on the box, you want to zoom in on those, plus add pictures of both sides of the box. It can only benefit you as a seller.

Also, I agree that no one is going to pay $300 but the seller can dream.. LOL

[val]

ALL -

Like we've discussed in the past, we should assume that an item is legitimate until proven otherwise. We know the sellers that sell bootlegs, and for some, we know what to look for in fake versions. However, in cases where we can't confirm anything, it's really not fair to the seller to assume it's a fake based on price. Some eBayers start auctions low, and in this case, he only has one figure, and starts all auctions low. He's not a full-time seller and he doesn't have an endless supply. Sure, some sellers start high to prevent a loss but as a hobby, some people start low -- it does fall in line with the spirit of online auctions.

If someone here approached one of this seller's bidders, then he/she needs to apologize and contact that bidder again because your reasons were based on assumption and it's not right. I realize people are concerned but you need to confirm your information before jumping the gun. Plus, without proof, & absolute certainty of an item's authenticity, I really don't think anyone should be contacting any bidders. I contact some when I was absolutely positive, but in this case, I really wouldn't have assumed anything based on a picture and the fact that fakes exist.

[val]

Appears that you can find this figure pretty easily on Yahoo and they do look authentic to me:
http://search4.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/ ... 0jp&acc=jp

Here's one that came from Kotobukiya's Store:
http://page18.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/w7163521
It's the original version w/out the mail in privilege item.

[H-Gurl]

If your figure is indeed real then I apologize.
The post citing you item number will be removed.

[ahmyg0ddess]

Great Forum btw .

H-gurl did you bother contacting Xzelic about the item before you opened up your Gob about the items hes selling and about your concerns ?
Im guessing NO... You are definitly a noob and dont really no much more than regular anime collectors do .

In Fact Xzelic who has actually been to japan several times and visited the impotant events and festivals knows way way WAY.. more than you .Your just a spring chicken when it comes to info like this i read a couple of your posts.

I have purchased 3 things from ebay from this seller and i am in Australia and he is in America . Rare Wonder Fes Release of Naru 1/4 scale statue , Giga Pulse figure and Ah my goddess First release movie bundle (12800) yen worth . All of them are authentic and yes they did go low i got the movie bundlke for 2.75 USD i couldnt believe it and HE STILL SENT IT!!

so yeah from now on have the decency to contact the person before you badmouth them over the net at least we know you dont know what your talking about 50 % of the time .

The only advice i can offer ShimizuKyoko is to add more info and use your own pics but i dont blame him for doing what he is doing his reasons sound very valid to me . I bet the people who doubted him are Crapping bricks after seeing his stock pics and i cn tell you they are valid pics .

Keep selling Xzelic this is one customer you will not lose to false comments.

100% authentic 100% trust and you earned it

I bet you shes Cut now to see your valid stock photos
H-gurl Nestle Bunny says "Do your homework n00b "

[val]

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[shawn]

LMAO! You come in here and badmouth one of our forum members and was backing a seller that none of us has had any interaction to start with. None of us is any concerned about your rant and rave.

This sections of Fake/Bootleg Figures/Statues/Models is to spread concern over a certain listing that our forum members find suspicious over a certain figure that had been heavily bootlegged over the internet community whether it be in eBay, Yahoo! Japan or any other online shops.

Note that we don't usually find a certain listing fake just because of someone's said so BUT we pay more attention to it when some seller couldn't be bothered to try and sell their own product with their own pictures. I agree in that no one is guilty until proven otherwise and this forum here is opened to any seller who thinks they have a case to argue to come out and show us. To convince us you are a legitimate seller. If you are, after you have put forward your argument and we beleive it could be true, we would raise our hands up and accept that maybe, you are not selling fakes.

In this case I have to take a side and I don't know what's all the fuss about Hgurl being a noob when it comes to this. Like you put it in such a fact that she doesn't know who this Xzelic is and what he sells, in return I would ask you DO YOU know who this Hgurl is and what she does? I guess the answers NO? I can assure you that she is here to give us some kind of insight of what she thinks is looking disconcerting and smells fishy in the bidding community. If you can assume and tag a certain somebody a 'noob 'just by reading a couple of their posts, then maybe in fact I think YOU, ahmyg0ddess is a n00b buyer instead. ...and your argument is stale.

From the assumption that you made of our member over the few posts that you personally have read, I'm making an assumption now on you over the one post you have made regarding deals with this particular seller, Xzelic@ShimizuKyoko. His reasons sounds very valid to you? LOL Ok, you may have a few transactions from this seller, 3 to be exact, and you think you know him just because his argument about being a loaded guy in the States who is selling just because he wants to?? Don't you think that is a bit far fetched and doesn't take concern when buying from someone who posts stock photos and sells low. I guess at this rate, you might be buying more fakes sooner than you think you know with this 'noob' attitude of yours.

We will definitely keep an open mind about this seller and so should you.