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Calling all photography buffs

Postby asgard » April 4th, 2009, 6:00 am

So I am really keen on learning more about photography, and NOT the simple "point n shoot" varieties.
I want to get a proper dSLR and get into the nuts n bolts of it.

Right now I am trying to decide between a Nikon D300 and a Canon EOS 40D

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond300/

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos40d/

My question to you guys is, what do YOU have. Why did you decide to choose it and what style of photography do you enjoy doing? What about lenses and other kit?
The more detailed the better :)
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Re: Calling all photography buffs

Postby Slaigar » April 4th, 2009, 8:21 pm

Both are great companies and regardless of you choice you'll be able to enjoy the hobby. People choose companies generally for the lenses they make. Generally, it is assumed that that Nikon has better quality wide angles, while Canon has a better quality zooms. It's arguable as both companies have lenses that are similar to each other. I don't have any experience with Nikon but I can support that Canon has great zooms and really lacks in choices in the wide angle department (unless you want to dish out 2k for their L series 14mm).

I really can't say much about the bodies. Older models will still get you awesome quality photos. So you can pick up an old Canon Digital rebel and dish out great photos with it. Newer cameras have more megapixels (I find it kind of pointless), bigger screen (this one is helpful!) and look nicer. I find more megapixels to be silly as there is hardly an increase of resolution, but it becomes a way that companies can market the same models over and over again. I'll stop ranting though. Main point: body doesn't matter as much.

The lens is more important that the camera body itself. Don't be cheap and high quality lens in the range that you like to shoot in. Go for a wide angle if you like landscapes and architecture, or go for a telephoto if you like sports and portraits. A zoom that covers the wide angle to medium-telephoto range is what I would recommend as a starting lens.

I use a Canon Digital Rebel XTI with a 135mm f2.0L lens. If I can stop spending money on clothes, I'll upgrade my body to a 5D II. Stuff I like to do... Pretty much anything I can shoot at. Walk around for a while and see if anything interesting turns out. Currently, it has been stale in my area so I haven't brought my camera out for months. I also bring my camera with me hiking.
I decided to go for the 135mm f2L because of its optical quality, shooting range for portraits (I like my distance) and its bokeh (background blur) at f2. It's not a lens that is practical for everyday shots, but I always enjoy the results I get from it.
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Re: Calling all photography buffs

Postby MrDisco » April 10th, 2009, 6:42 am

Continuing from my FB post

I briefly had the XSi but returned it and got the 40D instead. The 40D is a proper sized body which nearly can be properly gripped in my hand. The alloy chassis gives the body strength and durability but all this comes at the cost of weight. I added the battery grip which makes handling the camera that much easier, but the added bulk is something to consider. The D300 is equally as well built, but is slightly heavier/larger than the 40D. Cosmetically the D300 has more buttons and switches giving you direct access to various functions. The Canon has a cleaner design with features embedded in the menus with the joystick/scroll wheel.

Both cameras have high frame rates. The 40D has 9 cross-hair points (Rebels only have the center point as a cross-hair) which aids in focusing. The D300 has 51 points of focus. The 40D has an older implementation of Live View, but both have their limitations due to the nature of SLR design - it's not the same as a Point 'n Shoot.

No question the D300 is very impressive and out classes the 40D in some areas (i.e. the much higher res LCD back on the D300). On the flip side the D300 is much more expensive with the 40D dropping in price now that the 50D is here. If money were no object and I was starting from scratch I would probably choose the D300 (with 18-200mm lens) simply for its feature set. With money being a factor I can't ignore the better pricing on the 40D.

You should seriously look at the T1i and the D90. They're smaller, lighter, cheaper and have features borrowed from their more expensive counter-parts. The difference in price can be easily applied to better glass which will make a far bigger difference in PQ vs the body. The lenses you can keep for a lifetime while you can upgrade the body as you get better at the hobby. Realistically any camera from the Rebel to pro-sumer class is going to give you stunning pictures when the right skill is applied.

For lenses you'll be better off buying just the body and getting a decent lens separately. The kit lenses are cheap and quite good to learn with but they're limited in their 18-55mm range, their focusing is slower and noisier, and the glass quality is entry level. The Nikon 18-200mm is a very highly rated general purpose lens but at a cost (its about $700cdn here). I use a 17-85mm USM lens as anything else is overkill for me at this point. Filters are not needed, though there isn't any harm in using a UV filter to protect the lens end. A circular polarizing filter will also enhance your pictures where there's a lot of glare (on water for example). Filters can range from cheap generics to very expensive German made quality (B+W).

Don't forget to factor in quality memory cards, and a comfortable gadget bag. For low light photography a tripod is a must.

Some books worth reading:
The Digital Photography Book vol1 and vol2 by Scott Kelby
Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson
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Re: Calling all photography buffs

Postby DualSoul » April 10th, 2009, 11:58 pm

MrDisco wrote:You should seriously look at the X1i and the D90. They're smaller, lighter, cheaper and have features borrowed from their more expensive counter-parts. The difference in price can be easily applied to better glass which will make a far bigger difference in PQ vs the body. The lenses you can keep for a lifetime while you can upgrade the body as you get better at the hobby. Realistically any camera from the Rebel to pro-sumer class is going to give you stunning pictures when the right skill is applied.


Do you mean the T1i?
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Re: Calling all photography buffs

Postby MrDisco » April 11th, 2009, 12:23 am

DualSoul wrote:Do you mean the T1i?


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Re: Calling all photography buffs

Postby asgard » April 22nd, 2009, 7:21 am

Thanks guys :)
I decided in the end that I would go for the Canon EOS 50D if I wasn't able to get a job in the next few months, and if I were able to, I'd wait until the next one up came out (60D or 7D) in August... either choice I'll be swapping the kit lense out with a slightly better lense.

And as for those books, am bidding on all three and a few others by Bryan on a local auction site :)
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Re: Calling all photography buffs

Postby asgard » May 14th, 2009, 11:42 pm

Well in the end I went for a Nikon D90, with the 18-105mm VR kit lens and a 50mm f1.8 D lens.
Why? Well I actually went into a camera store and tried the Canon EOS 50D out, turned out it was TOO big. My fingers could barely wrap around it, let alone support the thing.
Got a feel for the Nikon D90 and it FELT right. After reading the reviews, decided it was for me.

If you're into unboxing, you can read about it here and also see the photos :)

http://www.geekchixxx.com/2009/05/unbox ... nikon-d90/
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