FAKE Art books...

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FAKE Art books...

Postby val » March 28th, 2006, 6:00 pm

I frequently see buyers who support sellers of bootleg merchandise on eBay, and I wonder if the buyer even knows the book is fake. What do you think?

For example this Power Seller is popular on eBay but their books are fake and CDs are from HK:
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... =animecast
The seller has more than one eBay name but I can't remember the other name right now.

If you own this book, simply reading the description ("The book is printed on heavy high gloss paper and it looks very nice. The pictures below the book are actual illustrations taken from the book." or "Size: Appx. 6 x 10 inches") will show you it's fake:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6042965410
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6046829128

Here's a real copy:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6046718834

I'm looking at a copy of the BUSIN book right now, and there is ZERO gloss. Their sample images are obviously high gloss but the book consists of heavy matte, thick paper, and the colors are not as dramatic as the gloss makes them apppear. The size is also half an inch smaller, and the book is out of print.

We should start a thread about dealers who sell fake books.
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Postby H-Gurl » March 28th, 2006, 11:35 pm

Hey Val :D
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I think this would be a great topic to cover, since many still get fooled by crappy bootleg books.

I've seen a few myself, so I'll post my findings:

Ito Noizi's GUREN

I'd been seeing this book in particular, and it's been confirmed as a fake.
I didn't recall it coming with a CD and the band in the original is black.
It's also softcover.
The sample images are broken, but I've seen them before, and they look really BAD.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Ito-Noizi-Anime-Art ... dZViewItem

Otaku.com mentions the fake in their auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NOIZI-ITO-ILLUSTRAT ... dZViewItem

A Death Note Artbook......This isn't even out yet, is it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Death-Note-New-illu ... dZViewItem

Katsuya Terada's ZENBU

For one, the price is a bit too cheap. Also, when I asked if the book had it's slipcover box, I got no reply.
The cover looks a bit yellow too.
http://www.import-action.com/katsuyateradazenbusc1.html
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Postby MrDisco » March 29th, 2006, 12:03 am

H-Gurl wrote:H
I'd been seeing this book in particular, and it's been confirmed as a fake.
I didn't recall it coming with a CD and the band in the original is black.
It's also softcover.


I have that artbook (the real one) and that is definately fake.

A Death Note Artbook......This isn't even out yet, is it?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Death-Note-New-illu ... dZViewItem


blanc et noir is not out yet:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/tg/ ... 98-1943405
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Postby Susano » March 29th, 2006, 6:01 pm

Wow, I seriously didn't realize artbooks were still being bootlegged at such high numbers. I've seen cd/ dvd bootlegs of artbooks like the Intron Depot ones on Ebay, but I've not really noticed any actually printed ones. I just wouldn't of thought it would be cost effective to print bootlegged copies out cinsidering the cost of printing stuff now days, but I imagine these places are prining on the cheap.

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Well, that site Import Action looks to have many bootlegged items. The Trigun Roman Album being one of them. At least it certainly looks illigitimate to me since my Hubby's copy is rather different looking from that one. (Unless it's our copy that's the bootleg. I hope not, but I guess it's possible since that was one of our very first imported artbooks from before we were really aware of how rampant bootlegging was.)
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Postby val » March 29th, 2006, 10:56 pm

Here's another big eBay seller who sells boots... all of the books are fake, but good fakes.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZtoycupQQhtZ-1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6046675516
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6046675568
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6040335495

The price is what makes these obvious but it's impossible to sell those books for those prices from Japan, much less the USA.
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Postby val » March 29th, 2006, 11:03 pm

Popular bootlegs that I continue to see on eBay:

G-TASTE 1-5 $15-$19 for a brand new fake copy!
Sentimental Graffiti (doesn't even look like the REAL book's slip cover and the real one was expensive)
ZENBU - Does anyone in the USA own a legit copy? Geezz, I saw people buying this left & right.
CANNABIS - Ditto to above... And for JP retail you get a fake copy locally with a soft-cover. The book has a hard-cover.
Cowboy Beebop, The Wind - SoftBank Japan has plenty of stock, folks! Don't believe the bootleggers. They pick books like this one for a reason. They're easy to copy.
Capcom Design Works.
Capcom Design Works - Early Days

There are many others. Based on my observations, the legit sellers also have web shops, like Otaku, AnimeBooks, etc. Believe me, if the real sellers who buy in volume can't offer those prices on real items, then the cheap ones on eBay are definitely fake.
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Postby val » March 29th, 2006, 11:11 pm

Also, the sly sellers will include a scan of the back cover like this:
http://www.andale.com/imgserver/img/ima ... marketId=1

If this book sells for that price in Japan, why does the seller only want $19.95? It's simple. The book is a cheap reprint of a scanned art book. You can't even buy that book through JP wholesale for under $25.00.

A lot of buyers on eBay are so disillusioned by the "fake" prices that they think art books should cost $20.00.
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Postby Susano » March 30th, 2006, 5:18 pm

I'll definitely keep an eye on such things. I don't want to take the chance of being duped by a seller like those you mentioned, Val. It's of particular importance to me since I recently had a very poor experience with an online store. I thought they had a figure instock when they actually didn't. And instead of canceling the order like I requested multiple times, they went and tried to pawn a bootleg of the figure as an official one (a month and a half after I placed the order and they charged me.) I'm currently in a charge back with my credit card company- one more month to go before it's finalized so long as they don't contact my cc company. Then I'm reporting the company to the better business bureau. >_<
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Postby Effini » May 17th, 2006, 5:35 pm

Does anyone know if this item is fake? It's a cosplay, replica Death Note notebook of the one Raito/Light uses to kill.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Anime-manga-Death-N ... dZViewItem

There are quite a few Hong Kong sellers selling it on ebay. Most of them show very similar pictures of the same box that the item comes with which makes me think that if multiple sellers have this item mabey it's legit. But mabey not.
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Postby val » May 17th, 2006, 9:01 pm

If the box doesn't have a Japanese maker's copyright with contact information, copyright of the artist and publisher of Death Note, or any valid information that can be found on the JP market, it's most likely a fake product. Ask the seller to show you the back of the box and maker's/artist's copyright. If they say Bandai, Animate, or Cospa, you should be able to find it online at either site w/out trouble. I have already searched for the product, and I do not believe it's a legitimate Japanese product. The companies behind this stuff make necklaces and goods for nearly every anime and game out there. Most of them look nice but they are not sold in Japan, licensed by the maker, etc.

There are only a couple companies in Japan that are licensed to make cosplay items. The fact that the company and artist are not mentioned is kind of a dead giveaway. The box should also have the JP retail price on it and either a JAN code or ISBN.

If only HK sellers are offering it, I would be worried. eBay is flooded with bootlegs, and they are sold worldwide. In fact, you will find more bootleg "goods" for Japanese anime & games on eBay than real products, and most of those end up in stores in North America too (and around the world). Many stores can't get legit products from Japan, so they buy from HK companies because there's a demand. If there's a demand, HK and China are always willing to meet that demand, even if they must invent the item.
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Postby BennyFuentes » May 17th, 2006, 9:24 pm

Here in Mexico almost 70 to 80% at stores that sell manga and anime related products are bootlegs, from DVDs to CDs, and the worst part is that they sell them at outrageous prices !! For example there is a local store that sells the HK DVDs at 20-25 US dollars PER DISC ! and CD soundtracks are around 15-20 US Dollars ! not to mention all the "cosplay goods" that are obviously fake, it´s a real shame how people don´t know about that and still buy the items, but well, since Mexico is still a third-world country, most anime and manga fans don´t have access to credit cards or paypal to get international orders and save alot of money (in case they want to keep spending on bootlegs).
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Postby val » May 18th, 2006, 1:37 am

Looking closely, all of the seller's products are bootlegs and fakes.

Here's a good example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Mf ... otohosting
Squaresoft does not exist now.

Plus, every single item released for Final Fantasy in Japan will have copyright Square Enix on it, as well as every single item released for FullMetal Alchemist.

This is most definitely fake, and it is far too cheap to be real:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 6059456999

He sells fake Pinky:st too:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Mf ... 6057976333
The fact that he doesn't show the packaging is a dead giveaway, as well as the price and the Pinky he chose to group together! The Animate Pinky was not sold through wholesale in Japan. It was offered in limited numbers at Animate stores in Japan, and seller has 2 of them shown in the listing, one behind Asuka and one behind Rei. The Anime Pinky are rare, as well as the Evangelion 20th Anniversary Pinky:st. Just those 4 Pinky sell for $25+ a set in Japan. At times, they sell for much more at auction because they're rare. Plus, after 7 days at $0.01, he has zero bids. The people buying Pinky:st are pretty well informed because enough collectors have already fallen for the fake HK Pinky. If he actually carried real Animate products, he would not be opening the bids for $0.01 and the item would surely be sold out by now. Plus, the auction would be more than $50.00 in the last 2 hours.

Also, Japanese take great pride in packaging, and they are aware of bootlegs. As a result, items are shipped in high quality packages with proper markings. It's kind of like seeing merchandise for a Marvel series without Marvel's name and all the proper copyright attached to the series. It simply won't happen, and it's the same in Japan.
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Postby Susano » May 18th, 2006, 2:55 am

BennyFuentes,

The US sellers of bootlegged cds and dvds charge about the same. With soundtracks, each disk costs $15, so if the bootlegged set is a 2-cd soundtrack like the Appleseed 2004 movie, you'll commonly find it for $30 USD. And people buy these bootlegged soudtracks that are already officially licensed for sale in the US. :roll:

Effini and Val,

2004ktedward is definitely selling bootlegged merchandise. I was glancing through some of the past auctions and came across this one. My hubby has the officially released pocketwatch and for one, the "Never Forget..." quote on the inside is engraved into the metal, not written with what looks like black marker. It also has a belt clip not a key chain ring on the end of the chain; for those who don't know, pocketwatches normally have the blet clip. I've never seen a pocketwatch with a key chain ring on the end.
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Postby val » May 18th, 2006, 5:27 am

Susano wrote:2004ktedward is definitely selling bootlegged merchandise. I was glancing through some of the past auctions and came across this one. My hubby has the officially released pocketwatch and for one, the "Never Forget..." quote on the inside is engraved into the metal, not written with what looks like black marker. It also has a belt clip not a key chain ring on the end of the chain; for those who don't know, pocketwatches normally have the blet clip. I've never seen a pocketwatch with a key chain ring on the end.



I agree with Susano. The seller's goods are not authentic. I can't find a single item in the store that looks legit. Unfortunately, most foreigners don't know these products are fake because the market is flooded with them and the real goods are normally very limited or too expensive (like the FF necklaces/watches).

Susano, does the watch have anything on its face or the back of it? The one on eBay is blank on the face and back. I thought that was strange, as well as the quote in black marker. The black foam in the box also doesn't look Japanese but I guess it's possible the foam resembles the original box.
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Postby Susano » May 18th, 2006, 1:12 pm

Yeah, the face of the watch has the lion rearing and the back has the blood symbol that's on the back of Al's trench coat. The packaging of the US release anyways was inside a prnted paper box. The inner case is a somewhat flimsy metal box with a window cut out. The inner packaging was a molded plastic liner like what you'd find to hold less expensive jewlery. I'll take a couple pictures of it as well to show you since I'm not terribly good at describing it.

I looked closer at it, and there's definitely copyright on the insdie under the Don't Forget quote. I think the only thing Funimation added was their own name at the very end of the copyright info.

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